Comments on: Is the startup world a refuge from age discrimination? http://leanstartups.com/is-startup-world-great-refuge-from-age-discrimination.html?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=is-startup-world-great-refuge-from-age-discrimination Best practices in lean business operations, technology, and other areas pertinent to success of startups, small, and mid-market businesses. Mon, 26 Jul 2010 08:09:58 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=abc By: Apolinaras Sinkeviciushttp://leanstartups.com/is-startup-world-great-refuge-from-age-discrimination.html#comment-2859 Apolinaras Sinkevicius Thu, 20 Aug 2009 15:53:50 +0000 http://leanstartups.com/?p=442#comment-2859 Jules, Thank you for the kind words. My father started all his very successful ventures once he "retired". In a way, I think his success was due to all that experience he amassed during life, he had nothing to prove, and there was no distraction of very young kids. One really has two periods of time in their life to start a company. Either before the kids (and even before one gets "attached"), when it is only the entrepreneur who has to go to homeless shelter, if things go bad. Or after kids are past that very dependent stage. In US we seem to focus very much on that first window. Jules,
Thank you for the kind words.
My father started all his very successful ventures once he “retired”. In a way, I think his success was due to all that experience he amassed during life, he had nothing to prove, and there was no distraction of very young kids. One really has two periods of time in their life to start a company. Either before the kids (and even before one gets “attached”), when it is only the entrepreneur who has to go to homeless shelter, if things go bad. Or after kids are past that very dependent stage. In US we seem to focus very much on that first window.

]]> By: Apolinaras Sinkeviciushttp://leanstartups.com/is-startup-world-great-refuge-from-age-discrimination.html#comment-3754 Apolinaras Sinkevicius Thu, 20 Aug 2009 15:53:00 +0000 http://leanstartups.com/?p=442#comment-3754 Jules, Thank you for the kind words. My father started all his very successful ventures once he "retired". In a way, I think his success was due to all that experience he amassed during life, he had nothing to prove, and there was no distraction of very young kids. One really has two periods of time in their life to start a company. Either before the kids (and even before one gets "attached"), when it is only the entrepreneur who has to go to homeless shelter, if things go bad. Or after kids are past that very dependent stage. In US we seem to focus very much on that first window. Jules,
Thank you for the kind words.
My father started all his very successful ventures once he “retired”. In a way, I think his success was due to all that experience he amassed during life, he had nothing to prove, and there was no distraction of very young kids. One really has two periods of time in their life to start a company. Either before the kids (and even before one gets “attached”), when it is only the entrepreneur who has to go to homeless shelter, if things go bad. Or after kids are past that very dependent stage. In US we seem to focus very much on that first window.

]]> By: Jules Pierihttp://leanstartups.com/is-startup-world-great-refuge-from-age-discrimination.html#comment-2858 Jules Pieri Thu, 20 Aug 2009 12:31:49 +0000 http://leanstartups.com/?p=442#comment-2858 Apolinaras, I love that you take on a couple of tough topics here...age discrimination and diversity. Our team happens to be both mostly female and older than the startup norm. In fact, a potential investor said, "I don't usually invest in people as old as you." I told him that he couldn't view women in startups with the same lens as men....some of us defer starting companies until our children are more independent. But I was talking to a wall. Oh well. In some ways this man was totally gender neutral....he saw family as irrelevant if you wanted to start a company. "You either had it in you or you didn't" was his contention. .-= Jules Pieri´s last blog .. =-. Apolinaras, I love that you take on a couple of tough topics here…age discrimination and diversity. Our team happens to be both mostly female and older than the startup norm. In fact, a potential investor said, “I don’t usually invest in people as old as you.” I told him that he couldn’t view women in startups with the same lens as men….some of us defer starting companies until our children are more independent. But I was talking to a wall. Oh well. In some ways this man was totally gender neutral….he saw family as irrelevant if you wanted to start a company. “You either had it in you or you didn’t” was his contention.
.-= Jules Pieri´s last blog .. =-.

]]> By: Jules Pierihttp://leanstartups.com/is-startup-world-great-refuge-from-age-discrimination.html#comment-3753 Jules Pieri Thu, 20 Aug 2009 12:31:00 +0000 http://leanstartups.com/?p=442#comment-3753 Apolinaras, I love that you take on a couple of tough topics here...age discrimination and diversity. Our team happens to be both mostly female and older than the startup norm. In fact, a potential investor said, "I don't usually invest in people as old as you." I told him that he couldn't view women in startups with the same lens as men....some of us defer starting companies until our children are more independent. But I was talking to a wall. Oh well. In some ways this man was totally gender neutral....he saw family as irrelevant if you wanted to start a company. "You either had it in you or you didn't" was his contention. .-= Jules Pieri´s last blog .. =-. Apolinaras, I love that you take on a couple of tough topics here…age discrimination and diversity. Our team happens to be both mostly female and older than the startup norm. In fact, a potential investor said, “I don’t usually invest in people as old as you.” I told him that he couldn’t view women in startups with the same lens as men….some of us defer starting companies until our children are more independent. But I was talking to a wall. Oh well. In some ways this man was totally gender neutral….he saw family as irrelevant if you wanted to start a company. “You either had it in you or you didn’t” was his contention.
.-= Jules Pieri´s last blog .. =-.

]]> By: Apolinaras Sinkeviciushttp://leanstartups.com/is-startup-world-great-refuge-from-age-discrimination.html#comment-2856 Apolinaras Sinkevicius Thu, 20 Aug 2009 03:32:02 +0000 http://leanstartups.com/?p=442#comment-2856 Chad, That is not necessarily the case. Two points: 1. Fair market value is in the eyes of the candidate and is often not based on facts. Such is our human nature. One has to think in terms of what value they bring to the company. If you think you are worth $100K, prove to the company beyond any doubt your work will directly generate 5-10X that in profit. You will have no problem getting that money. If you are really worth what you think you are worth, it does not matter the size of the company, you will get paid that. If you are only getting low-balls, maybe that is what you are really worth - update your skills to improve you value. 2. If you really got your stuff together and have that irresistible value to provide, trust me, you will get paid more than what you even can get paid at Fortune 500. I am in operations, people in my field either determine or are part of the team that determines compensation. How do you think we attract best of the best from the big boys? It is definitely not the gaming rooms and X-boxes, many big boys have the toys themselves. Chad,
That is not necessarily the case. Two points:
1. Fair market value is in the eyes of the candidate and is often not based on facts. Such is our human nature. One has to think in terms of what value they bring to the company. If you think you are worth $100K, prove to the company beyond any doubt your work will directly generate 5-10X that in profit. You will have no problem getting that money. If you are really worth what you think you are worth, it does not matter the size of the company, you will get paid that. If you are only getting low-balls, maybe that is what you are really worth – update your skills to improve you value.
2. If you really got your stuff together and have that irresistible value to provide, trust me, you will get paid more than what you even can get paid at Fortune 500. I am in operations, people in my field either determine or are part of the team that determines compensation. How do you think we attract best of the best from the big boys? It is definitely not the gaming rooms and X-boxes, many big boys have the toys themselves.

]]> By: Apolinaras Sinkeviciushttp://leanstartups.com/is-startup-world-great-refuge-from-age-discrimination.html#comment-3752 Apolinaras Sinkevicius Thu, 20 Aug 2009 03:32:00 +0000 http://leanstartups.com/?p=442#comment-3752 Chad, That is not necessarily the case. Two points: 1. Fair market value is in the eyes of the candidate and is often not based on facts. Such is our human nature. One has to think in terms of what value they bring to the company. If you think you are worth $100K, prove to the company beyond any doubt your work will directly generate 5-10X that in profit. You will have no problem getting that money. If you are really worth what you think you are worth, it does not matter the size of the company, you will get paid that. If you are only getting low-balls, maybe that is what you are really worth - update your skills to improve you value. 2. If you really got your stuff together and have that irresistible value to provide, trust me, you will get paid more than what you even can get paid at Fortune 500. I am in operations, people in my field either determine or are part of the team that determines compensation. How do you think we attract best of the best from the big boys? It is definitely not the gaming rooms and X-boxes, many big boys have the toys themselves. Chad,
That is not necessarily the case. Two points:
1. Fair market value is in the eyes of the candidate and is often not based on facts. Such is our human nature. One has to think in terms of what value they bring to the company. If you think you are worth $100K, prove to the company beyond any doubt your work will directly generate 5-10X that in profit. You will have no problem getting that money. If you are really worth what you think you are worth, it does not matter the size of the company, you will get paid that. If you are only getting low-balls, maybe that is what you are really worth – update your skills to improve you value.
2. If you really got your stuff together and have that irresistible value to provide, trust me, you will get paid more than what you even can get paid at Fortune 500. I am in operations, people in my field either determine or are part of the team that determines compensation. How do you think we attract best of the best from the big boys? It is definitely not the gaming rooms and X-boxes, many big boys have the toys themselves.

]]> By: Chadhttp://leanstartups.com/is-startup-world-great-refuge-from-age-discrimination.html#comment-2855 Chad Thu, 20 Aug 2009 01:38:12 +0000 http://leanstartups.com/?p=442#comment-2855 You missed one big huge negative for experienced people and startups. They rarely are interested in paying fair market value, which is often why they're full of cheap, young employees. You missed one big huge negative for experienced people and startups. They rarely are interested in paying fair market value, which is often why they’re full of cheap, young employees.

]]> By: Chadhttp://leanstartups.com/is-startup-world-great-refuge-from-age-discrimination.html#comment-3751 Chad Thu, 20 Aug 2009 01:38:00 +0000 http://leanstartups.com/?p=442#comment-3751 You missed one big huge negative for experienced people and startups. They rarely are interested in paying fair market value, which is often why they're full of cheap, young employees. You missed one big huge negative for experienced people and startups. They rarely are interested in paying fair market value, which is often why they’re full of cheap, young employees.

]]> By: Diane Marie Pinkardhttp://leanstartups.com/is-startup-world-great-refuge-from-age-discrimination.html#comment-2819 Diane Marie Pinkard Fri, 07 Aug 2009 16:16:14 +0000 http://leanstartups.com/?p=442#comment-2819 Courtney, I absolutely love your post from A. S. I read every single word of it, and I could not agree more. My favorite line is: "If you have up-to-date skills and a positive attitude – you are darn irresistible." That is so true, and the BEST! Thank you for that great share! Diane Courtney, I absolutely love your post from A. S. I read every single word of it, and I could not agree more. My favorite line is: “If you have up-to-date skills and a positive attitude – you are darn irresistible.” That is so true, and the BEST! Thank you for that great share! Diane

]]> By: Diane Marie Pinkardhttp://leanstartups.com/is-startup-world-great-refuge-from-age-discrimination.html#comment-3750 Diane Marie Pinkard Fri, 07 Aug 2009 16:16:00 +0000 http://leanstartups.com/?p=442#comment-3750 Courtney, I absolutely love your post from A. S. I read every single word of it, and I could not agree more. My favorite line is: "If you have up-to-date skills and a positive attitude – you are darn irresistible." That is so true, and the BEST! Thank you for that great share! Diane Courtney, I absolutely love your post from A. S. I read every single word of it, and I could not agree more. My favorite line is: “If you have up-to-date skills and a positive attitude – you are darn irresistible.” That is so true, and the BEST! Thank you for that great share! Diane

]]> By: courtney bensonhttp://leanstartups.com/is-startup-world-great-refuge-from-age-discrimination.html#comment-2818 courtney benson Fri, 07 Aug 2009 15:38:50 +0000 http://leanstartups.com/?p=442#comment-2818 There's a discussion on Linkedin regarding this subject and I thought your input should be added so I've posted it to the SalesBlogcast.com discussion group question "Should Age be an Issue when Hiring".@techdom There’s a discussion on Linkedin regarding this subject and I thought your input should be added so I’ve posted it to the SalesBlogcast.com discussion group question “Should Age be an Issue when Hiring”.

@techdom

]]> By: courtney bensonhttp://leanstartups.com/is-startup-world-great-refuge-from-age-discrimination.html#comment-3749 courtney benson Fri, 07 Aug 2009 15:38:00 +0000 http://leanstartups.com/?p=442#comment-3749 There's a discussion on Linkedin regarding this subject and I thought your input should be added so I've posted it to the SalesBlogcast.com discussion group question "Should Age be an Issue when Hiring".@techdom There’s a discussion on Linkedin regarding this subject and I thought your input should be added so I’ve posted it to the SalesBlogcast.com discussion group question “Should Age be an Issue when Hiring”.

@techdom

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